Re: [Ianaplan] control and negotiation (was Re: draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-02 working group last call)

[Miles Fidelman <[e-mail]>]

Fair enough.

What I'm wondering is why anybody sees it as unilateral and alienating 
to say:

1. iana.org is used by the current process (along with various other 
intellectual property)
2. in the event of a transition, things might go smoother if it were 
"owned"/registered by party other than the contractor (particularly the 
incumbent contractor)
3. one possible place for it to reside is ietf.org - but that's just an 
offer for discussion purposes when the other stakeholder proposals come 
together to be merged

I expect there are folks in other communities who are similarly 
concerned about this issue (say, for example, vis-a-vis distribution of 
the authoritative list of root nameservers) - and that their proposals 
might also bring this issue to the table; and they might have other 
suggestions for how to manage ownership of iana.org and its contents.  
Would we see it as unilateral and alienating for another community to 
raise the issue and propose a model for resolving it?

Miles Fidelman


Peterson, Jon wrote:
> Sure, but the steps we take today to safeguard ourselves from possible
> contingencies could be unilateral demands that alienate our peers or they
> could approach this in the spirit of past cooperation. I'm worried that if
> we strike the wrong posture, we could end up inspiring the very split
> we're hoping to guard against. So I think it's fair to say that I'd want
> our current ICG response process to think cooperatively, rather than
> antagonisticly, say.
>
> Jon Peterson
> Neustar, Inc.
>
> On 11/8/14, 7:51 AM, "Andrew Sullivan" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 07:37:04AM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote:
>>> [BA] Since "IANA .org" affects all the communities, this needs to be
>>> handled cooperatively.
>> Wait, no.  I deny this premise for the purposes of this discussion.
>>
>> We _already_ have in the draft a term that says "iana.org goes with
>> the operator."  This is, AIUI, a request for a term that is already in
>> effect.
>>
>> What we are talking about is a case where different registries go
>> their separate ways, and they do so un-co-operatively.  In that case,
>> _by definition_, iana.org won't affect all communities (or anyway,
>> can't affect them all in the same way).
>>
>> By definition, it can't be handled co-operatively in this case,
>> because we're already into non-co-operation as part of the scenario
>> we're trying to cope with.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> A
>>
>> -- 
>> Andrew Sullivan
>> [e-mail]
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