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Re: [Ianaplan] control and negotiation (was Re: draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-02 working group last call)

Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> Fri, 07 November 2014 23:29 UTC

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From: Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu>
To: 'David Conrad' <drc@virtualized.org>, "'rhill@hill-a.ch'" <rhill@hill-a.ch>
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This is getting to be an unproductive line of discussion. 
No one "stole" the property and the proposals to move it to someone else are also not "expropriation," both were (or would be) part of collectively mediated institutional changes

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:11 AM, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:
> >> which is
> >> what is actually being proposed: they have property, and some are
> >> proposing that they have to give it to us without compensation.
> >
> > As others have pointed out, ICANN took it from others without
> compensation.
> 
> Could you provide your evidence to back up this accusation of theft?
> 
> Regards,
> -drc
> (ICANN CTO, but speaking only for myself. Really.)

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