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Re: A sad farewell

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 06 November 2020 00:25 UTC

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Subject: Re: A sad farewell
To: Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>, Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2020 13:25:21 +1300
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On 06-Nov-20 13:09, Jay Daley wrote:
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>> On 6/11/2020, at 1:03 PM, Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org <mailto:LMM@acm.org>> wrote:
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>> which group in IETF or the LLC or ISOC or whatever is chartered to discuss such long-term issues, though? It's out of scope for SHMOO, Is IETF committed to having a unique (bespoke, open-source?) toolchain?
>> I think IETF toolchains should meet the old standard for standards: multiple, independent, interoperable implementations.  Multiple = more than one = not bespoke (unless you mean that term in some other way?
> 
> The Tools Architecture and Strategy Team.  https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/tools-arch/about/

"The TAS team is expected to consult widely with the IETF community..."

I assume the venue for that is tools-discuss@ietf.org ?

   Brian

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