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Re: A sad farewell

Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Fri, 06 November 2020 00:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: A sad farewell
From: Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 16:21:45 -0800
Cc: Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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> On Nov 5, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
> 
> Joe, I think you missed an important part of Pete's message.
> 
> Even if we use other tools, we will need cusotmization to match our process requirements. 

I think you missed the point of my reply:

	everyone else seems to be adapting their processes to available tools

Jira was designed for trouble tickets in software development, but is being used for a LOT of other things too.

Sure, you can claim we’re “special” and “unique” and need a custom or even adapted solution. 

But that means we have to find someone willing to adapt the tools, under the direction of others, for the money we’re willing to pay - AND support those mods.

We just found out that’s not so easy, so maybe it’s time to change assumptions.

Joe

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