IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: Mail is worse than everything except all the alternatives, was Service outages planned for April 25

"touch@strayalpha.com" <touch@strayalpha.com> Sat, 30 April 2022 16:24 UTC

Return-Path: <touch@strayalpha.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40612C15E3FC for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.315
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.315 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=strayalpha.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cWcIa7W5m3me for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:24:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from server217-1.web-hosting.com (server217-1.web-hosting.com [198.54.114.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63B7BC15E3F9 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:24:21 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=strayalpha.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=cloZvKNmDSJwt6Sxlp0DHu3iqgogGzKUiAcc2OglUps=; b=1qcMFjhLMvNLnyXFFSEkrhprFo uAduyLB3kk3v3HLyRez3Oq45frNXk+6Wo7qLUtJibrTLV2ekVgU/chflEwPGJLVWQ7fOwHwd5KRx2 RLRnyQYEvwaSe1P3O1cB6ZfiOyh3jqQU8U7lDnKYjRisunVb0TAB5y2VBK6w9LC6dsby62MV30rHo 3M3D9AqSiVA1V+PDGEdq4y7HZNmVOzKhyFJuKlNNFU7WrBesKN0Afl9hyb1zj1lZUEoBp5nCQD6tc xdQwfvdCK/c0SfUVFB6QbfJ29JnITsHKeQsPwBq3uYypg91syG7mNw9uALq1THLB8cdJOt7kqHdZ+ IW6hn0XQ==;
Received: from cpe-172-114-237-88.socal.res.rr.com ([172.114.237.88]:63964 helo=smtpclient.apple) by server217.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from <touch@strayalpha.com>) id 1nkptI-005M5D-Hi; Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:24:20 -0400
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\))
Subject: Re: Mail is worse than everything except all the alternatives, was Service outages planned for April 25
From: "touch@strayalpha.com" <touch@strayalpha.com>
In-Reply-To: <9095a004-c574-87d3-68d6-38e2b33f35f8@network-heretics.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:24:15 -0700
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <8118AF62-E562-42E9-B871-E21CA2B5CB51@strayalpha.com>
References: <20220428221138.9BFD63F11488@ary.qy> <e11aeebf-22f6-b067-db4f-ea84fe41abc5@network-heretics.com> <CAMm+Lwj7ZZn_enfkfMgLiSRaQbyEi6pBwoEdkdppA-=eOt8RRQ@mail.gmail.com> <f2856072-7c03-cf1f-9ee4-f48d84290f6c@taugh.com> <9095a004-c574-87d3-68d6-38e2b33f35f8@network-heretics.com>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1)
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server217.web-hosting.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - strayalpha.com
X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server217.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: touch@strayalpha.com
X-Authenticated-Sender: server217.web-hosting.com: touch@strayalpha.com
X-Source:
X-Source-Args:
X-Source-Dir:
X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/_lK29gTUZfe_R3cWKwRPjH1YGD4>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 16:24:25 -0000


> On Apr 30, 2022, at 8:56 AM, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
> 
> Email is still around, and is still used for business.   But for most interpersonal communications, email has become the medium of last resort, after social media sites and SMS.  And in addition to the other reasons that cause people to prefer other media, spam filters have made cross-domain email notoriously unreliable.

Social media is more for updated info to everyone than messaging to individuals.  They don’t support messages to a subset, except through SMS or their own variant.

SMS, Facebook messages, Twitter DMs, and other messaging is considered immediate and intrusive, just shy of a phone call in terms of “pay attention now”. They’re also often more limited in terms of what can be sent (total length, attachment size, etc.), vs. email.

If you want to send a message that isn’t urgent to a directed group of people, what can you use besides email?

Joe

—
Dr. Joe Touch, temporal epistemologist
www.strayalpha.com

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email