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Re: IPv4 Outage Planned for IETF 71 Plenary

Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Wed, 19 December 2007 20:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: IPv4 Outage Planned for IETF 71 Plenary
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>>>>> "Tony" == Tony Hain <alh-ietf@tndh.net> writes:

    Tony> the right experiment. It is not right because it does
    Tony> nothing positive, other than the threat -maybe- spurring
    Tony> some action. A more realistic experiment would be to run the
    Tony> entire week with a double-nat for IPv4 (and nats between the
    Tony> access points to simulate consumer-to-consumer
    Tony> configurations), where the most public one has absolutely no
    Tony> provision for punching holes (because realistically an ISP
    Tony> is not going to punch inbound holes for its customers, or
    Tony> allow them to). 

I strongly support this experiment and believe it would be a really
good idea to run.  I do think behave-compatible nats should be used,
but besides that, I think the experiment you propose is far more
valuable than the v6-only experiment.


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