IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: the race to the bottom problem

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Sun, 08 November 2020 01:04 UTC

Return-Path: <mellon@fugue.com>
X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270FD3A0E2F for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 17:04:00 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.887
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QIKy1pqJ1Pkq for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 17:03:58 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-qt1-x830.google.com (mail-qt1-x830.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::830]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C07893A0E37 for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 17:03:58 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-qt1-x830.google.com with SMTP id t5so3664905qtp.2 for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Sat, 07 Nov 2020 17:03:58 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=r6Pc9PTZGHf7HKccxse4UymIl/8yW/Z3oEzR8sI6Ckk=; b=zucsAC6VJscQdE4nlNU7CabEHmfUZ290/a0oTUFTiLcw3gqiwWAydpeO1tugr6D5fW CWFGLwHOvuGmYgy6Ys6JIe/egkvBSjBG9+wp0V/rFv0ztjqGmV6pEzHqktMgiZZVZALd XmS4NK9n5RtBB4JxGwzkqpCBBfsHzUM7lvSNyein5WNF4td8T+gCqTmgGC+7mYekmIyr CFfCPFdCc98nGWeQrIwzkf8ucIjC6h9WLJCHmI66qJuyRg9/6FPzci/7PLNBPdnZZUGo d2fwhbz6gxoHjC+Kpp+YAwQ1S3iDZj7DD12mN9jQzpJAhRyrsY00uTLDMiyjcA/ZXB4d EZhA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=r6Pc9PTZGHf7HKccxse4UymIl/8yW/Z3oEzR8sI6Ckk=; b=IOdFUnn1I3Kb5oUZD99xZAKHcxeh1x4lC4EW/CA5cXLt+28MJf93+4sXBmaVi7UXHc 7Xdk1ICd++aobHfELRPDomMCMTecYrzvS7G4J+IFlokNI54nJ1tHKkELH8DsK9nu3l54 rnDbfarT+vdGP06N2CfHcbfUHPLHDj2NiEqPXNZsA11dEtB5tYWevXdqsp9KNJdO/LLi w4ga5LzNQlVzDsObO0KAQuvNxtgo22/4CjgPNr/8lLIPUxoH0dEAhAkKenHq+YPRqgmF mJGrZGdtblLjZZyv7sezQmiYRzEthZQf2EqqIiSvEEE3b/+WpvZXBldaxhtLSP0WNwNQ eJuA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532aLGpBnzOxfh8M3KbGF7fAzMkaAwQnfOUS4jH2Dxgi4wcEkXIU r3MN4eYPZduMIQPFB4ae0DMUjw==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwgcg2aOwpfpV+YUyVCLqXYzVYkWolLSvXQAuO9dQL3KszU81PYgJg57NcY5lKJ3YKbHl+ooQ==
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:4e24:: with SMTP id d4mr7849966qtw.271.1604797437629; Sat, 07 Nov 2020 17:03:57 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [192.168.4.70] (c-24-91-177-160.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [24.91.177.160]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m15sm3542832qtc.90.2020.11.07.17.03.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 07 Nov 2020 17:03:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Message-Id: <E66B9C17-A73D-45A5-9E22-5E5CD08C94E1@fugue.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6046C757-F2F8-4890-83CE-399BEE14326A"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\))
Subject: Re: the race to the bottom problem
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2020 20:03:55 -0500
In-Reply-To: <190c5cf3-9034-4e38-235c-620ecd916750@foobar.org>
Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "Mudric, Dusan" <dmudric=40ciena.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
References: <60a15726-ff04-a202-4df9-79a6c6f33540@foobar.org> <99B762B0-0370-4B5B-9075-F688284D614A@fugue.com> <190c5cf3-9034-4e38-235c-620ecd916750@foobar.org>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/GUn3Mjk1mRO71UvrUYyA9DENKD4>
X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" <ipv6.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/>
List-Post: <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 01:04:00 -0000

On Nov 7, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
> So I politely ask you again: please provide citations to data.  Then we can have a discussion.

ISPS are handing out /64s. This was mentioned in the thread. This is all the evidence you need that there has been a race to the bottom.

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email