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Re: the race to the bottom problem

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Sat, 07 November 2020 22:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: the race to the bottom problem
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2020 17:33:27 -0500
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Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "Mudric, Dusan" <dmudric=40ciena.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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On Nov 7, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
> there's a string of generalisations and assumptions going on here, and like many arguments which use reductio ad absurdum, I fear that the outcome shows the absurdity of the line of argument more than the issue being argued about.

Considering your opening sentence, I would have hoped that we’d find something more than conjecture in the following sentence, but… no.

What Bob said is not conjecture—we’ve already seen clear pressure to race to the bottom. We have actual data to support what he says. You can’t contradict data with conjecture.

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