Re: the race to the bottom problem
Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> Mon, 09 November 2020 06:16 UTC
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From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 01:16:39 -0500
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Subject: Re: the race to the bottom problem
To: Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org>
Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "Mudric, Dusan" <dmudric=40ciena.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
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Another point as far as IPv6 exhaustion possibilities is that IANA could release additional blocks per RFC 3587. https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml Current GUA: 2000::/3 Global Unicast [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] The IPv6 Unicast space encompasses the entire IPv6 address range with the exception of ff00::/8, per [RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>]. IANA unicast address assignments are currently limited to the IPv6 unicast address range of 2000::/3. IANA assignments from this block are registered in [IANA registry *ipv6-unicast-address-assignments* <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-unicast-address-assignments>]. [7 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note7>] [8 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note8>] [9 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note9>] [10 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note10>] [11 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note11>] [12 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note12>] [13 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note13>] [14 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note14>] [15 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note15> ] 2^125 = 42,535,295,865,117,307,932,921,825,928,971,026,432 Other IETF reserved allocations that could be released in the future. 0000::/8 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] [1 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note1>] [2 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note2>] [3 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note3>] [4 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note4>] [5 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note5>] [6 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note6> ] 0100::/8 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] 0100::/64 reserved for Discard-Only Address Block [RFC6666 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc6666>]. Complete registration details are found in [IANA registry *iana-ipv6-special-registry* <https://www.iana.org/assignments/iana-ipv6-special-registry>]. 0200::/7 Reserved by IETF [RFC4048 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4048>] Deprecated as of December 2004 [RFC4048 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4048>]. Formerly an OSI NSAP-mapped prefix set [RFC4548 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4548>]. 0400::/6 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] 0800::/5 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] 1000::/4 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] 2000::/3 Global Unicast [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] The IPv6 Unicast space encompasses the entire IPv6 address range with the exception of ff00::/8, per [RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>]. IANA unicast address assignments are currently limited to the IPv6 unicast address range of 2000::/3. IANA assignments from this block are registered in [IANA registry *ipv6-unicast-address-assignments* <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-unicast-address-assignments>]. [7 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note7>] [8 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note8>] [9 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note9>] [10 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note10>] [11 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note11>] [12 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note12>] [13 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note13>] [14 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note14>] [15 <https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml#note15> ] 4000::/3 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] 6000::/3 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] 8000::/3 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] a000::/3 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] c000::/3 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] e000::/4 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] f000::/5 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] f800::/6 Reserved by IETF [RFC3513 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc3513>][ RFC4291 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc4291>] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3587 See section 2 3rd paragraph. 2 TLA/NLA Made Historic RFC 2374 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2374> was the definition of addre. sses for Format Prefix 001 (2000::/3) which is formally made historic by this document. Even though currently only 2000::/3 is being delegated by the IANA, implementations should not make any assumptions about 2000::/3 being special. In the future, the IANA might be directed to delegate currently unassigned portions of the IPv6 address space for the purpose of Global Unicast as well. On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 7:33 PM Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote: > > > > On 8 Nov 2020, at 10:24, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote: > > > > Ted Lemon wrote on 07/11/2020 23:16: > >> Read the whole thread, please, Nick. > > > > this is the problem: I did read it, just like I've read through all the > other threads on this topic over the last several years. There was a repeat > of the usual speculation, generalisation and echo-chamber mechanics which > have characterised this discussion at the ietf since more-or-less forever. > > > > You said: "we’ve already seen clear pressure to race to the bottom". > > > > So I politely ask you again: please provide citations to data. Then we > can have a discussion. > > Telcos only supplying /64 despite 3GPP supporting shorter than /64. Every > Telco that only supplies /64 has raced to the bottom. There was reasons > for this initially. Some devices did not work correctly with short than > /64 because their developers fail to properly test them before releasing > them. Its now a decade later and many of those Telcos are still doing /64. > > DHCP-PD supports STATIC leases. Whether you get a static of dynamic lease > depends on the functionality the DHCP server vendor built in and how the > server is configured. > > > Nick > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > > ipv6@ietf.org > > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Mark Andrews, ISC > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- <http://www.verizon.com/> *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD
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- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Gyan Mishra
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- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Philip Homburg
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… otroan
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Ca By
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Philip Homburg
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Philip Homburg
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Ca By
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Bob Hinden
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Mark Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Alexandre PETRESCU
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… otroan
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-… Fernando Gont
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-… Fernando Gont
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Gyan Mishra
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Mudric, Dusan
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Gyan Mishra
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Philip Homburg
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-… Fernando Gont
- RE: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Ca By
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Philip Homburg
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Bob Hinden
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Mudric, Dusan
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Mark Smith
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Mudric, Dusan
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Ca By
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Michael Richardson
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Mark Smith
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Michael Richardson
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Brian Carpenter
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Philip Homburg
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Alexandre PETRESCU
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Bob Hinden
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Nick Hilliard
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Ted Lemon
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Nick Hilliard
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Ted Lemon
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Nick Hilliard
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Mark Smith
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Nick Hilliard
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Joel M. Halpern
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Ca By
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Ted Lemon
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Ca By
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Joel M. Halpern
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Brian E Carpenter
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Brian E Carpenter
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Mark Smith
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Ca By
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Ca By
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Joel M. Halpern
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Ca By
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Gyan Mishra
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Philip Homburg
- Re: the race to the bottom problem otroan
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] the race to the bottom problem Simon Hobson
- RE: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Ca By
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Nick Hilliard
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Gyan Mishra
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Address length needs Joel M. Halpern
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Nick Hilliard
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: the race to the bottom problem JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Address length needs Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Nick Hilliard
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Mark Andrews
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Ca By
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Ca By
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Mark Andrews
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Gyan Mishra
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… otroan
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Simon Hobson
- Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom pro… Philip Homburg
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Mark Smith
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Market forces Ted Lemon
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Simon Hobson
- Re: Market forces Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Market forces otroan
- Re: Market forces Simon Hobson
- ubituiti APs and IPv6 (Re: Market forces) Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: ubituiti APs and IPv6 (Re: Market forces) Jared Mauch
- Re: Market forces Ted Lemon
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Philip Homburg
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Ca By
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Ca By
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: I-D Action: draft-mishra-6man-variable-slaac-… Simon Hobson
- Re: Market forces Mark Smith
- Re: Market forces Ted Lemon
- Re: Market forces Gyan Mishra
- Re: Market forces Ted Lemon
- Re: Market forces Kerry Lynn
- Re: Market forces Mark Smith
- Re: the race to the bottom problem otroan
- Re: Market forces Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Market forces Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Market forces Ted Lemon
- Re: the race to the bottom problem Gyan Mishra