Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: the race to the bottom problem

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Fri, 06 November 2020 23:58 UTC

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Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Also, I have yet to see any solution to having a mix of devices on the
    > same link that can only support 64bit IIDs and ones that can support
    > shorter IIDs.  I think there is an impossible transition problem.

I have no interest in enabling ISPs to provide less than a /60.
(Particularly mobile ISPs.  5G is the ATM of the 2020s)

However, I think that draft-troan-6man-p2p-ethernet is one solution.
I have read the document, but there is a thread from two weeks ago that I
haven't contributed to yet.


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