Re: [ipwave] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-00 RSU term

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Hans-Joachim

Am 12.02.2017 um 18:44 schrieb Alexandre Petrescu:
> Richard,
>
> What is that definition in 21217?  Can you copy paste it here so we 
> can consider it please?
>
> Alex
>
> Le 11/02/2017 à 05:55, Dick Roy a écrit :
>> Definitions of terms depend on to whom you are talking.  I suggest 
>> sticking
>> with the internationally accepted (except in the US) terminology in ISO
>> 21217.  You will find definitions for everything you need concisely 
>> defined
>> therein.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> RR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jérôme Härri [mailto:jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr]
>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:50 AM
>> To: 'Alexandre Petrescu'; 'Michelle Wetterwald'
>> Cc: its@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [ipwave] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-00 RSU term
>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> It could actually be two different terms, depending of what we want 
>> to say
>> in the draft. The RSU is no longer a pure C-ITS name, as even LTE-V2X
>> adopted the LTE-UE operating in RSU mode for LTE-V2V communications 
>> (meaning
>> you do not need to be a eNB/base station to be a RSU).
>> I would tend to think that the RSU is more a function/service than an 
>> actual
>> technology...but as I think the debate could be complex and suggest to
>> follow Michelle suggestion to keep the RSU as a 'bigger' entity, and 
>> if you
>> need it, a RSR as a potential sub-set of a RSU. As Michelle said, a 
>> RSU is
>> not a router  by default...
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jérôme
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu
>> Sent: Friday 10 February 2017 12:37
>> To: Michelle Wetterwald
>> Cc: its@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [ipwave] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-00 RSU term
>>
>> Hi Michelle,
>>
>> Thank you for the suggestion.
>>
>> But making RSR a component of RSU is different than making RSU a 
>> component
>> of RSR, right?
>>
>> Despite the widespread belief that RSU would have something to do 
>> with IP
>> and Internet, rarely if ever was there an RSU connected to Internet that
>> forwarded IP packets - most RSUs are disconnected from the Internet (the
>> supposedly 'slaves' at FHWA) and the ones that are connected to the 
>> Internet
>> (supposedly the 'masters' at FHWA) are so only in order to be 
>> SNMP-managed
>> remotely, but not to forward.
>>
>> If we know of some RSU which has this 'forwarding' flag set to 1, 
>> then we
>> should talk about it, and call it a Router.
>>
>> The "ITS station" term is not a term at IETF.  We could re-use the 
>> term "ITS
>> station", but I would like to know whether "ITS Station" is a Router 
>> or a
>> Host?
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> Le 10/02/2017 à 12:18, Michelle Wetterwald a écrit :
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Actually, an RSU is generally more than an RSR as it is an ITS station
>>> per se and may contain upper (e.g. service or even
>>> application) layers. I suggest to keep the definition of RSU in the
>>> text, as it is a widely used term, but clarify that an RSR could be
>>> one of the components of an RSU.
>>>
>>> Best regards, Michelle
>>>
>>> 2017-02-10 11:34 GMT+01:00 Alexandre Petrescu
>>> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-00 RSU term
>>>
>>> Hello IPWAVErs,
>>>
>>> We received multiple comments about the RSU term.  The strongest issue
>>> is that apparently there are conflicts between our assumption of RSU
>>> to be a router and FHWA(?) thinking RSU is more like an interface to a
>>> router, or something like a master-RSU controlling
>>> (slave?) RSUs. Unless FHWA tells us they agree RSU is a router, I will
>>> modify the following:
>>>
>>> Old:
>>>
>>> 2.  Terminology
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> RSU: Road Side Unit.
>>>
>>>
>>> New:
>>>
>>> RSR: Road Side Router; an IP router equipped with, or connected to, at
>>> least one interface that is 802.11 and that is an interface that
>>> operates in OCB mode.
>>>
>>>
>>> and substitute RSR for RSU throughout.
>>>
>>> This old 'RSU' term, now RSR, is absolutely needed in the draft when
>>> discussing IP handovers and Mobile IP.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> -- Michelle Wetterwald michelle.wetterwald@gmail.com
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