Re: [ipwave] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-00 RSU term

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

Richard,

What is that definition in 21217?  Can you copy paste it here so we can 
consider it please?

Alex

Le 11/02/2017 à 05:55, Dick Roy a écrit :
> Definitions of terms depend on to whom you are talking.  I suggest sticking
> with the internationally accepted (except in the US) terminology in ISO
> 21217.  You will find definitions for everything you need concisely defined
> therein.
>
> Cheers,
>
> RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jérôme Härri [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:50 AM
> To: 'Alexandre Petrescu'; 'Michelle Wetterwald'
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [ipwave] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-00 RSU term
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> It could actually be two different terms, depending of what we want to say
> in the draft. The RSU is no longer a pure C-ITS name, as even LTE-V2X
> adopted the LTE-UE operating in RSU mode for LTE-V2V communications (meaning
> you do not need to be a eNB/base station to be a RSU).
> I would tend to think that the RSU is more a function/service than an actual
> technology...but as I think the debate could be complex and suggest to
> follow Michelle suggestion to keep the RSU as a 'bigger' entity, and if you
> need it, a RSR as a potential sub-set of a RSU. As Michelle said, a RSU is
> not a router  by default...
>
> BR,
>
> Jérôme
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: its [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu
> Sent: Friday 10 February 2017 12:37
> To: Michelle Wetterwald
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [ipwave] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-00 RSU term
>
> Hi Michelle,
>
> Thank you for the suggestion.
>
> But making RSR a component of RSU is different than making RSU a component
> of RSR, right?
>
> Despite the widespread belief that RSU would have something to do with IP
> and Internet, rarely if ever was there an RSU connected to Internet that
> forwarded IP packets - most RSUs are disconnected from the Internet (the
> supposedly 'slaves' at FHWA) and the ones that are connected to the Internet
> (supposedly the 'masters' at FHWA) are so only in order to be SNMP-managed
> remotely, but not to forward.
>
> If we know of some RSU which has this 'forwarding' flag set to 1, then we
> should talk about it, and call it a Router.
>
> The "ITS station" term is not a term at IETF.  We could re-use the term "ITS
> station", but I would like to know whether "ITS Station" is a Router or a
> Host?
>
> Yours,
>
> Alex
>
> Le 10/02/2017 à 12:18, Michelle Wetterwald a écrit :
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Actually, an RSU is generally more than an RSR as it is an ITS station
>> per se and may contain upper (e.g. service or even
>> application) layers. I suggest to keep the definition of RSU in the
>> text, as it is a widely used term, but clarify that an RSR could be
>> one of the components of an RSU.
>>
>> Best regards, Michelle
>>
>> 2017-02-10 11:34 GMT+01:00 Alexandre Petrescu
>> <[e-mail]
>> <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
>>
>> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-00 RSU term
>>
>> Hello IPWAVErs,
>>
>> We received multiple comments about the RSU term.  The strongest issue
>> is that apparently there are conflicts between our assumption of RSU
>> to be a router and FHWA(?) thinking RSU is more like an interface to a
>> router, or something like a master-RSU controlling
>> (slave?) RSUs. Unless FHWA tells us they agree RSU is a router, I will
>> modify the following:
>>
>> Old:
>>
>> 2.  Terminology
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> RSU: Road Side Unit.
>>
>>
>> New:
>>
>> RSR: Road Side Router; an IP router equipped with, or connected to, at
>> least one interface that is 802.11 and that is an interface that
>> operates in OCB mode.
>>
>>
>> and substitute RSR for RSU throughout.
>>
>> This old 'RSU' term, now RSR, is absolutely needed in the draft when
>> discussing IP handovers and Mobile IP.
>>
>> Alex
>>
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