Re: [arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience

"Patrik Fältström " <paf@frobbit.se> Sun, 29 December 2019 08:00 UTC

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To: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s@rad.com>
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On 29 Dec 2019, at 8:51, Yaakov Stein wrote:

>> Correct Scott, but I was more thinking of the fact ITU-T results might bind the members (the member States) by treaties, which implies the members do not have any choice but implement the outcomes. Just like ICANN outcomes are binding for the contracted parties in many cases.
>
> No, almost all ITU-T results are called "Recommendations" because they are precisely that.
> They do not bind members unless the member adopts them into its own national legislation.

Yakov, I did write "might", and you point out exactly what members of ITU have to fight around OR ELSE it ends up being binding. Which is easier or harder depending on what is written in the treaties (and why there is such a fight at WCIT).

   Patrik