Re: [arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 30 December 2019 19:21 UTC

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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience
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On 31-Dec-19 01:04, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
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>> Il 30/12/2019 12:35 Christian <cdel@firsthand.net> ha scritto:
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>> Hi Vittorio,
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>> I don't understand your objections.
>>
>> Are they?
> 
> This is not yet another discussion on DoH - yes I have problems with how it is being deployed, though mostly different from the ones you list(*), but this is not the topic here. The discussion is rather about the IETF's pretense not to be making Internet policy (DoH is just an example where this pretense has been widely challenged) 

Sorry, I don't get it. I've taken my own decision about DoH policy, by using a browser that
has a mechanism for avoiding DoH, because I think it puts power over the integrity of the namespace into the wrong hands. Other people, in other geographies, might have an opposite policy. Many end users may not even know that they have a policy choice. This is utterly outside the control of the IETF.

Earlier, you wrote:

>> But, as I said, the need for global Internet policies will not go away just because we do not know how to fulfill it - they will just be decided in other ways, a huge private oligopoly being the most likely and the scariest one.

Welcome to capitalism. Except that a large part of the policy landscape is set geographically by varying political systems, so what we actually have is a very complex interplay between various transnational oligopolies and ~200 political systems. Again, utterly outside the control of the IETF.

In this environment, designing for resilience seems like a wise strategy.

   Brian

> and about the idea of global Internet policy-making processes.
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> 
> (*) if you're interested in this, here is a recent panel discussion with multiple views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yMZEAvS3M
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