IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [DNSOP] [homenet] Fwd: WGLC on "redact" and "homenet-dot"

william manning <chinese.apricot@gmail.com> Sat, 17 December 2016 19:36 UTC

Return-Path: <chinese.apricot@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CAA129461 for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:36:52 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.699
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mdlXxLS5HFnp for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:36:50 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com (mail-io0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 948D51293DC for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:36:50 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-io0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id d9so124093522ioe.0 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:36:50 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mQITBZ6k1Q6yutVSJO3p+7zP1dcieQ5E202oAlRrsmo=; b=B4LJQW48bQtcZBouJhmIZ0IugMsC4LAnOSYsQzleixeD2T4sJb+pmwIdWBrwJsGxuz DR5PZkZoSl2cNUhsbMqFJNVO7gO/ulS+mlnS/SOXM2U9Z/D4nOSlUO6Egb8vGf6vKt1i 1/ddrfFgNl/4oE5DaHobijkMbPSiQ19bcWMJ7bKMOC2tod4f6ikvoq4p/XJM1Oam0h5h nHLfjeou7bRNSJsYCg2Wb1VvQnnR6eY7WLdcPCWQZ+Q8N87+fHDuAl955f89PXnRZASI OkdKlkN/WyYmuglfl+Gpzz0ObH9n8MyxXDILhAI4M3S9ayBjaoTRDr9iqMeOfBVxW4my uc7w==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mQITBZ6k1Q6yutVSJO3p+7zP1dcieQ5E202oAlRrsmo=; b=YbzfzDzSzXJereP2aLyC/reugjbhF9FsnX1ZzNKHCIrf75g6xVvhlNMRXvPCo2IbcY MqNCQXoB/C2E3IKbMa3V8w/Hv7N8xDRm9mJzuJsPaztxCmW7H0kukInwxPw+zEtgGPcd 9OZB+p5+5/4zRuK75YhhFyf+vcM8ATbfJ/VOSdJL9Tyr3PHBwFUxKdOMQsEggYyZMjdo uCtkyYk72/bnuJEEdSFGzcDi48YPdBcxRMu128mruS8CcqAEyk3bytRZefsNeB1kUrZS AaiLFckvp4AxYpLMR8aF8dA0rki497ZQEfyp/70ThPqXDy78lE3vsDNT1bNz8eTFJzLQ wodA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXKJuRQWwmaXvKZoT1llrEq8GdSCIH7fdjrfM0P3NEYU8x1cH5YLJg0dfzo8qfbCzRyrtpfFP5EdH+NRYw==
X-Received: by 10.107.154.14 with SMTP id c14mr8868630ioe.0.1482003409879; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:36:49 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.107.159.137 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:36:48 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <49A7DCF7-9FEC-4572-BE88-D90B415F330A@virtualized.org>
References: <20161214220428.1688.qmail@ary.lan> <9EC2695D-5CC5-479F-9998-27810608E71E@fugue.com> <CAH1iCioPZiO78j478BV7t=pTN9LZXQbweeBZQF2w3O1gKwx3XA@mail.gmail.com> <20161215011803.A2B705CE7CAA@rock.dv.isc.org> <CAH1iCir6R=DG+RM1BoMn1s31x3ZoN4bHLO7dWdVL-yCD3u3R0A@mail.gmail.com> <CAPt1N1=Mw=LSQ+dwFX2MFKTzSHMzWKAMLrW9fQPaAggMb+GJ-A@mail.gmail.com> <CAH1iCirFZtCWVkMqFp8Fb=wJLzmBNb2k5PfxKBRNUtgVR7cMXA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPt1N1nHmrRwAGGJCTwD=PhW1w=QHHSnvi1D3GN4kNxHSgapEA@mail.gmail.com> <20161215041912.32A8F5CE9152@rock.dv.isc.org> <CAPt1N1mwoGDuc8fn7mFd0R3cx_xQLBM3H=ye9L+ceE6kvUo-mQ@mail.gmail.com> <4195DBA6-6EAE-45CE-AD61-9236C62124D0@google.com> <alpine.OSX.2.11.1612151555520.6844@ary.local> <CAPt1N1mWLw-thMrVvztdSDkPp6zW8ptick4ZnDKUatBf44QfiA@mail.gmail.com> <49A7DCF7-9FEC-4572-BE88-D90B415F330A@virtualized.org>
From: william manning <chinese.apricot@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:36:48 -0800
Message-ID: <CACfw2hg8x7u=F0pu8BFr6HMKkvApGs5svKAUR8XVY+rcc2CMgA@mail.gmail.com>
To: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1140fc0ccd481d0543dfcef3"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/FhOPtToCYouDxGIZVP3LtqoXOPk>
Cc: "dnsop@ietf.org WG" <dnsop@ietf.org>, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [homenet] Fwd: WGLC on "redact" and "homenet-dot"
X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop/>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 19:36:52 -0000

Is there any public data to support the presumptions of excess capacity at
the roots and the impact of NSEC aggressive use on the DNS?   I know that
in the previous century, punting on operational impact by guessing about
outcomes was common.   I thought the IETF had moved away from SWAG and was
working toward a more disciplined and fact based process for making
changes.

/Wm

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:25 AM, David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote:

> I presume NSEC Aggressive Use will significantly reduce the amount of crap
> hitting the root servers.
>
> Given how much capacity the root servers already have to provision to deal
> with that crap, I don't think a massive increase in legitimate (NSEC
> Aggressive Use-implementing) resolvers will move the needle significantly.
>
> Regards,
> -drc
>
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
>
> Billions and billions of them?   How often do they query the root, do you
> think, compared to a stub resolver that did recursion itself?
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:57 PM, John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>
>> Putting an iterative resolver in a stub resolver is an attack on the DNS
>>>> infrastructure.
>>>>
>>>
>> Ted might want to alert all of the BSD and linux distros that default to
>> running a copy of bind or unbound answering queries on 127.0.0.1.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> homenet mailing list
>> homenet@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DNSOP mailing list
> DNSOP@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
>
>
> Regards,
> -drc
> (speaking only for myself)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> DNSOP mailing list
> DNSOP@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
>
>

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email