Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the charter (was Re: HRPC recharter)

Sofía Celi <cherenkov@riseup.net> Wed, 19 April 2023 10:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the charter (was Re: HRPC recharter)
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Hi, Melinda,

> I don't see that it does, but it also pretty clearly doesn't help.
> 
> People both inside and outside the various I*TF organizations
> misunderstand the distinctions between the IETF and IRTF.  In
> general that's not actually a problem in practice, but it may
> be in the HRPC case.  If you take, for example, CFRG, it is
> very commonly misunderstood in the cryptographic community to
> be an IETF activity (CFRG does produce standards).  But, that
> doesn't really affect any other activities or, arguably, CFRG
> itself.  However, to the extent that HRPC is misunderstood to
> be influencing standards production in the IETF, that can
> be (and has been) a problem, in terms of friction with IETF
> working groups and the incorrect assumptions being made
> about human rights activities in the IETF by governments and
> policy makers.  So, I'd argue that the lack of understanding
> about the differences is not inherently much of a problem
> generally but that it is a problem in the specific case of
> HRPC.

This is a very clear context. I think it is definitely needed to keep 
working on providing the clarity on the differences, and happy to 
continue on that ;)

Thank you,

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Sofía Celi
@claucece
Cryptographic research and implementation at many places, specially Brave.
Chair of hprc at IRTF and anti-fraud at W3C.
Reach me out at: cherenkov@riseup.net
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