Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter

Speaking as a privacy expert (I’m CTO of Patient Privacy Rights and on the
Electronic Privacy Information Center advisory board) and a contributor to
many protocol workgroups, human rights are much easier to apply to protocol
design. Some examples:

- Privacy is cultural with vast differences across the world. Trying to
design for privacy in a global context tends to the lowest common
denominator.“Privacy by Design” has been a failure in my opinion.

- Privacy is what gave us “Notice and Consent” in the form of privacy
policies and shrink-wrap contracts. Human rights, by contrast, are
inalienable. As my colleague in PPR says: “You can’t consent away your
human rights.”

- Privacy is not accepted as a public good. The justification for
commercial surveillance (a phrasing that is currently preferred by experts
in the regulatory context) is often the ability to trade privacy for
services delivered over the Internet. The ability to pay for privacy would
not be as relevant in design for digital public goods as a framing.

What attracted me to HRPC is the relevance and clear of your work on forced
association. In the context of a charter discussion, I have no perspective
across IETF protocol groups other than GNAP, but I hope we continue to
focus on protocols for digital public goods rather than policies.

- Adrian

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 12:00 PM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
wrote:

>
> Hiya,
>
> On 05/01/2023 15:09, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > 2. I think Privacy is much better understood than "Human Rights"
>
> Interesting. I'd agree if the set of people we're talking
> about were IETFers from a security background, but I think
> the opposite would be the case for HRPC folks whose
> background is work on human rights. And I'm not sure what'd
> be the case for e.g. IETFers from a routing background.
>
> For me, bridging those gaps ought be one of the benefits of
> HRPC existing.
>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
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