Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter

[Abdussalam Baryun <[e-mail]>]

Hi Mallory and the Group,

I suggest that adding the Policy consideration and not replacing the
Protocol, is in my opinion best direction for the following reasons.

It is easier that all researches or technologies consider both the (current
or new or examined) policy and mechanisms, or architecture and interactions
considerations. When we say policy we consider that human policy is
different from technology policy but we want technology not to violate
human policy. Also, when we research/discuss Human Rights or Institution
Rights it is more complicated than Machine/Technology Protocols and
Engineering (e.g. IPv6 Technologies) and also has more
unpredictable_reflections. However, each ICT technology has some defined
Policies and Protocols, and are both with no doubt related and not
independent especially when interacting with humans (i.e. in
machine to machine interaction, we can sometimes separate).

If the Group thinks that they (i.e. Human/Technology Policy and Protocol)
are independent then OK the Group can separate them into two
Research_Groups: one Human Right Policy, and Human Right Protocol. I
suggest that our current group to discuss both until we agree that they
MUST be discussed separately. Trying to make Human_Right_Protocol define
the Internet_User_Protocol, and without excluding the technology_policy and
human_right_policy.

In another reason, within design/development mostly human_right_policy
related to one used_technology is difficult to enforce correctly, because
the technology_policy it is up_down design and technology_protocol is
mostly down_up design. The human_designer creating the needed_technology
will design the protocol within a defined common_current_policy. Modifying
protocols is simpler than modifying policies especially when we are dealing
with many dependencies among them. Furthermore, humans Use/Practice mostly
protocols, and the human_right the Group wants to protect is the
Protocol_Human_User, so we need first to focus on the Protocol and its
functions that affect the Human_User, then secondly how to change/modify
the technology_current_policies.

Technology and its Human rights practices/affects is a very critical issue
and an important research_direction, so I am not sure that what I suggested
is best direction but it is important that we/I discuss the reasons why
some of us may think way.

Best Regards
AB

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 7:30 PM Mallory Knodel <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Dear RG,
>
> Hope everyone is well.
>
> At the 115 meeting HRPC was reviewed by the IAB [0], notes of which are
> forthcoming from the IAB.
>
> Partially as a result, though this activity predates the review itself,
> Sofia and I have been reviewing the HRPC charter. In particular we are
> keen to expand HRPC slightly, though arguably our area of work will
> remain the same (more on that later), to explicitly welcome policy
> discussions.
>
> The recharter text is available in GitHub [1] where you can view a diff
> [2]. It is also in a plaintext format with more visual indications of
> where the changes have been made [3].
>
> My view on the proposed change to include "policy" as a replacement for
> "protocol" in the name and charter text have been shaped by both of the
> past chairs of HRPC and Colin's feedback, which is that the human rights
> framework can apply to virtually any policy discussion and therefore
> HRPC has all along according to its charter had a mandate to talk about
> these issues. However I do think that the slight rephrasing in places
> gives us necessary updates that reflect the current political moment as
> well as learning from past lessons since the group was chartered the
> first time. Additionally I think there is value in the group name and
> its charter text being written so as to explicitly attract researchers
> and research that discuss policy, as a "place to land" in the IETF/IRTF.
>
> We welcome any comments on the proposed changes.
>
> Happy new year and best wishes to everyone,
>
> -Chairs, Mallory & Sofia
>
> [0] https://www.iab.org/wiki/index.php/RG_Reviews
>
> [1] https://github.com/IRTF-HRPC/IRTF-HRPC/blob/main/hrpccharter.md
>
> [2]
>
> https://github.com/IRTF-HRPC/IRTF-HRPC/commit/1a029b31ab3521e8da1490924c94397a99497d19
>
> [3] https://pad.riseup.net/p/Qgq2TJuWLbFSY1Jrcxgm
>
>
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> Mallory Knodel
> CTO, Center for Democracy and Technology
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