Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter
Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> Wed, 04 January 2023 20:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter
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Hello everyone, The key value of an RG is whether or not it has contributions and discussions that lead to better understanding among the participants. So to that end, broadening the charter to include policies doesn't strike me at all as a bad thing. What's important is that we get a good gang of people who are willing to contribute, even if that contribution results in a paper rather than a draft. If people are concerned about advocacy, and I will admit that I have been in the past, I would make one change to the draft charter. OLD: To propose guidelines to protect the Internet as a human-rights-enabling environment and a global public good in future protocol development. NEW: To *explore* guidelines to protect the Internet as a human-rights-enabling environment and a global public good in future protocol development. This is not to say that the group should be prohibited from proposing new guidelines, but exploration is what the R in RG really should be about, as it allows for us to engage in the complexities and conflicts that can occur. It also allows us to revisit and critique what seems to work and where new approaches may be required. Anyway, HTH. Eliot
- [hrpc] HRPC recharter Mallory Knodel
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Adrian Gropper
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eric Rescorla
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Mallory Knodel
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Michael Rogers
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Bill Jouris
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Melinda Shore
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Mallory Knodel
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Mallory Knodel
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eric Rescorla
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Melinda Shore
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Mallory Knodel
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eric Rescorla
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Mallory Knodel
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Stephen Farrell
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Adrian Gropper
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Jens Finkhaeuser
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter John Curran
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter farzaneh badii
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Mallory Knodel
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter John Curran
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Jens Finkhaeuser
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter farzaneh badii
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Adrian Gropper
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter farzaneh badii
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Mallory Knodel
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eric Rescorla
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Adrian Gropper
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eric Rescorla
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Jens Finkhaeuser
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Paul Wouters
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Ted Lemon
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Jens Finkhaeuser
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Sofía Celi
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Eric Rescorla
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter Sofía Celi
- [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the charter … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Melinda Shore
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Melinda Shore
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Sofía Celi
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Sofía Celi
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Sofía Celi
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Colin Perkins
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Marek Blachut
- Re: [hrpc] Politics, representation, and the char… Vittorio Bertola