Re: Value and respect [Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective]

[Michael StJohns <[e-mail]>]

Jordi -

With respect, this is sort of the text book definition of a conflict of 
interest.  You're asking the secretariat to restrict postings of someone 
who has posted opposing views on a topic on which you've also posted.  
That doesn't smell right to me.

I would suggest that you need to ask someone else to rule on this - e.g. 
defer to the guidance of the IETF chair or one of the other sergeant at 
arms.  I would also ask that whoever takes up this task please try a 
little private mediation first before invoking the PR request.

Mike


On 6/10/2016 7:34 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> Dear Secretariat,
>
> Speaking as sergeant-at-arms, please make sure to restrict posting rights of Mr. Masataka Ohta for the next 2 months, until 11th August, noon CET.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Masataka Ohta <[e-mail]>
> Responder a: <[e-mail]>
> Fecha: viernes, 10 de junio de 2016, 13:28
> Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
> Asunto: Re: Value and respect [Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective]
>
>> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>>
>>> I think is very clear: Is fine to disagree with LGTBQ rights, is fine
>>> to express it, but “I don’t value their families”, in my opinion is
>>> not respectful in the context of this list and the RFC3005.
>> If it were so very clear, cloud you quote the relevant section
>> of rfc3005?
>>
>>> See also previous email from Jari, related to RFC 7154.
>> And, of rfc7154.
>>
>> At least, the following statement in the rfc:
>>
>>     2.  Guidelines for Conduct
>>     1. IETF participants extend respect and courtesy to their colleagues
>>        at all times.
>>
>> has nothing to do with families of colleagues.
>>
>> As IETF is not an organization to promote family relationships but is
>> a technical body, we are indifferent to families of colleagues.
>>
>> Remember, my opinion is seconded by [e-mail].
>>
>>> Moreover, this is becoming out off topic, as this debate was related
>>> to the Singapore venue,
>> I'm afraid that IETF list is for general discussion that nothing
>> related to IETF can be off topic.
>>
>> And, even if it were, your statement in the previous mail:
>>
>>> If you keep going thru this path, I will have no other way that
>>> restricting your posting rights, so please, be respectful to all.
>> is too strong as a statement against off topic mails.
>>
>>> and now you’re starting to use that as a
>>> general personal attack to LGTBQ and their families and the rest of
>>> the IETF community that respect those rights.
>> I'm afraid you are saying that you are culturally heavily biased
>> for LGBT.
>>
>>> general personal attack to LGTBQ and their families and the rest of
>>> the IETF community that respect those rights.
>> I'm afraid it is impossible to make "personal attack" "general".
>>
>> But, in case I misunderstand something, could you quote relevant part
>> of my previous mails related to it?
>>
>> 							Masataka Ohta
>>
>
>