Re: Value and respect [Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective]

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> Fri, 10 June 2016 19:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: Value and respect [Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective]
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
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Thread-Topic: Value and respect [Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective]
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Hi Andrew,

It is not about the original comment, is about insisting on the topic once it has been warned that is becoming off-topic, and is going into a direction that becomes abusive.

I know there is a difficult balance between freedom of expression and not attacking others or their families, but we need to avoid those threads that will go nowhere.

Regards,
Jordi


-----Mensaje original-----
De: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Andrew Newton <andy@hxr.us>
Responder a: <andy@hxr.us>
Fecha: viernes, 10 de junio de 2016, 18:07
Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
CC: IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
Asunto: Re: Value and respect [Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective]

>On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 7:34 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
><jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:
>> Dear Secretariat,
>>
>> Speaking as sergeant-at-arms, please make sure to restrict posting rights of Mr. Masataka Ohta for the next 2 months, until 11th August, noon CET.
>
>What just happened? Did posting rights just get suspended because a
>member of the community wanted to let us know that his values differ
>from the assumed values of the broader community as stated by the IETF
>chair? In the email I read, there did not appear to be a personal
>attack.
>
>While I am not supportive of his opinion, doesn't he have the right to
>let us know that his opinion differs from that which was stated by the
>chair?
>
>-andy
>
>