Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective

Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Thu, 09 June 2016 19:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective
To: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
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On 6/9/16 11:31 AM, Eliot Lear wrote:
> I don't think it was more expensive than any meeting that would have
> occurred in Asia.

Possibly, but with meetings as expensive as they are I need
to skip the occasional meeting, and it's going to tend to be
the most expensive one in a given time frame.  Not sure about
Seoul, to be honest.  I am not going to go to Singapore,
regardless.

I'd like to see us reduce the number of plenary meetings
(and reduce our reliance on meetings more generally) but I
can't see requiring virtual interims.  If work is chugging
along without meetings and everybody feels they're being
heard, that strikes me as an ideal situation and one that
doesn't require a meeting at all.

Melinda