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Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective

Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> Fri, 10 June 2016 12:09 UTC

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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:08:57 +0000
From: Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>, ietf@ietf.org
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; }  We should make the outcome of this debate more visible. Event apparel should be

               I SAIDI'D BOYCOTT SINGAPORE    AND ALL I GOT WAS    THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT

        100 IETFs!

(I do not second Ohta's opinions, and he misunderstands mine. ALL participants' families are equally unimportant; I left mine on the other side of the planet years ago...)

Lloyd Wood
lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk

On Friday, June 10, 2016, 1:30 AM, Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> wrote:

 On 06/08/2016 08:13 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
  
 I understand that, but then all our debate has been 99% useless.

At LEAST we need to make sure that the Singapore government know that we go there most probably because we have no other choice at this point in time for planning another venue, and that we will most probably not return if the laws keep the same. 
 
 For some reason I'm reminded of the (apparent) belief of old NetNews denizens that one could shape the Real World by rearranging the hierarchy of NetNews group names (remember soc.religion.islam.ahmadi?)
 
 While the IETF has great influence over many things, this idea vastly overestimates our influence.
 
 I'd be surprised if any government official in the parts of Singapore government that deal with this kind of issues even knows we're coming. We may have IT-related contacts, and telling them that we've had this debate will cause no harm, but the threat of IETF formally boycotting Singapore is .... less than awe-inspiring.

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