Re: Value and respect [Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective]

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sun, 12 June 2016 18:41 UTC

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--On Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:24 -0700 Randy Bush
<randy@psg.com> wrote:

>> 1: Don't annoy others unnecessarily; and
>> 2: Don't be too easily annoyed."
> 
> actually, that was tom jennings of fidonet

Looks to me like a restatement of the robustness principle,
applied to human communications rather than protocols.  But,
yes, I thought Tom too; glad for confirmation.

    john