Value and respect [Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 09 June 2016 20:59 UTC

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Subject: Value and respect [Re: IETF 100, IAOC perspective]
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On 09/06/2016 18:58, somebody wrote:
> IAOC Chair wrote:
> 
>> We, and we believe the whole IETF, value and respect our LGBTQ participants
>> and their families.
> 
> No, I don't value their families.
> 
> Moreover, it is wrong for IETF as an international technical
> body to force or expect its members value and respect LGBT.

I don't think we should let this stand in our archive without comment.

Personally, I value the families of all participants equally (including
that of the sender of the quoted message). I also expect all IETF
participants to value and respect each other regardless of everything
personal about them.

  Brian