Re: IETF in July

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Fri, 20 March 2020 21:30 UTC

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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 17:30:13 -0400
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Subject: Re: IETF in July
To: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
Cc: Ron Bonica <rbonica=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:46 PM Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:

> Ron,
>
> Might I suggest we get through the next week first? :-)
>
> I’ll wait to see the hotel announcement like everyone else, which I
> presume won’t be sent until travel normalizes, since many international
> borders are closed.
>

I strongly suggest that for purposes of planning WG work, everyone assume
there won't be an in person IETF for the rest of the year unless we hear
otherwise.

It is highly unlikely that travel bans will be lifted in a sufficient
number of countries to make any IETF viable in July and Madrid is
reportedly a hot spot. If the secretariat announces registrations are open
then we can rethink. Spain just reported 104 deaths in 24 hours. The chance
that Madrid is going to be in a state to receive visitors in 17 weeks is
really small.

So don't blow off the virtual meetings assuming there will be a 'proper'
IETF in July. Not unless you are ok with work being delayed for up to a
year.