Re: Montevideo statement
Martin Millnert <martin@millnert.se> Tue, 08 October 2013 12:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: Montevideo statement
From: Martin Millnert <martin@millnert.se>
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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 14:46:55 +0200
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Phillip, On Tue, 2013-10-08 at 08:24 -0400, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > If nothing is done then sooner or later there will be some idiot on > his hind legs in the Senate talking for 21 hours demanding that Cuba > or Palestine be dropped out of the DNS root or be denied IPv6 > allocations or some equally stupid grandstanding demand designed to > give him a platform on which to run for higher office. This has already happened. Some US-Israeli lobby thing asked RIPE NCC in 2012 (IIRC) to stop economically support a by some nation states blockaded Iran via removing its routing registration information and IP assignments, etc. Not sure exactly how it went from there, but the request was essentially ignored AFAIK. The problem is not what happens when a lobbyist approaching on of these bodies directly is ignored, but when said lobbyists persuades a legal apparatus with standing, to make similarly ill-advised requests. Or to connect back to the Montevideo statement, how to manage a globally cohesive One Internet without exposing it to the threat of legal assault. I.e. how to put the Internet above the law of any one nation state, essentially. Today, a popular belief in Swedish "IGF" circles is "the law applies equally to online as it does to offline" -- but this doesn't really compile well for the Internet IMHO where we have 250 something different laws, as it is absolutely fragmenting the Internet judicially speaking to each nation state having some sort of power over its national Internet segment... IMHO, the Internet is a global communications fabric, transcending and superseding individual nation states. Forcefully and offensively removing someones access to it is a crime by any human standard. /M
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