Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission)
Paul Smith <paul@pscs.co.uk> Tue, 25 April 2017 15:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission)
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On 25/04/2017 15:12, Cyrus Daboo wrote: > Hi Paul, > > --On April 25, 2017 at 3:01:31 PM +0100 Paul Smith <paul@pscs.co.uk> > wrote: > >> (BTW, did you receive the "delivered" MDN from our server from the DSN >> request? It looks like it left here OK) > > Your server gave me a "delivered" status. Good :-) Does Mulberry indicate this in the 'sent items' folder somehow? I think that's what users would like (?) (I haven't used Mulberry for a while - IIRC, it disappeared for a while some time ago, and I hadn't realised it had come back...) > I think the later is not very useful as I expect my own server to be > reliable, and if not expect to know about problems pretty quickly. Agreed, but that's what the earlier person was saying would be good. For the average user it tells them that THEIR mail server has sent the message out, which is the best you can expect if the onward server doesn't support any form of notification. If the 'sent items' folder indicates somehow when messages have been sent out by the MSA (or delivered to the recipient if possible) then I can see that would help usability.
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