Re: [Jmap] Submission
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Sat, 22 April 2017 02:16 UTC
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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: [Jmap] Submission
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On Apr 21, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Chris Newman <chris.newman@oracle.com> wrote: > My product's existing JMAP-like proxy is a JSON/HTTP to submission/IMAP proxy. One of the design errors that was made (back in the 1990s) was to not support submission extensions. This is one of the largest remaining design errors in our proxy and has caused significant problems. I do not want the JMAP standard to repeat the mistake we made. Can you give an example of a failure mode that resulted from this omission? (Not doubting you, just curious what the specific problem was).
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Neil Jenkins
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- Re: [Jmap] Submission Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ricardo Signes
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [Jmap] Submission John Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Submission John R Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Submission John R Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Brandon Long
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- Re: [Jmap] Submission John Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Adrien de Croy
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- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ned Freed
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission John Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Submission John Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Submission is not hard Ned Freed
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) John Levine
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- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Bron Gondwana
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- Re: [Jmap] Submission is not hard John Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ned Freed
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [Jmap] Submission John R Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Submission John Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Submission is not hard Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Submission is not hard John R Levine
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- Re: [Jmap] Submission is not hard Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Submission is not hard John R Levine
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- Re: [Jmap] Message Tracking and JMAP extensibilit… Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Message Tracking and JMAP extensibilit… Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Adrien de Croy
- [Jmap] Message Tracking and JMAP extensibility (w… Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Adrien de Croy
- [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Chris Newman
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ned Freed
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Bron Gondwana
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ned Freed
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Ned Freed
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) John R Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) John Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Cyrus Daboo
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) John Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Bron Gondwana
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Paul Smith
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Paul Smith
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Paul Smith
- Re: [Jmap] Submission Mads Hjorth
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Cyrus Daboo
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Ted Lemon
- Re: [Jmap] Submission John R Levine
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Paul Smith
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Paul Smith
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Adrien de Croy
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Cyrus Daboo
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Paul Smith
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Paul Smith
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Brandon Long
- Re: [Jmap] Address Validation (was Re: Submission) Chris Newman