Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags

"Mark Davis" <mark.davis@icu-project.org> Fri, 05 October 2007 01:25 UTC

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From: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
To: Andrew Cunningham <lang.support@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags
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a small correction:
>  In this sense extlang reflects the communities understanding of their
language.
=> In this sense macro languages reflects the communities understanding of
their language.

While the issue of synonyms is related to the issue of macro language
registry info vs extlang, they aren't the same.

Mark

On 10/4/07, Andrew Cunningham <lang.support@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Throwing in my two cents worth:
>
> One aspect of language tagging is the preference for the tags to be as
> specific as possible. In some cases it is desirable to be less
> specific.
>
> An example i mentioned on the teleconference was the case of Dinka. In
> ISO-639-2 this is represented by the language code "din".
>
> While ISO-639-3 have the following language codes:
>
> dib     South Central Dinka
> dik     Southwestern Dinka
> dip     Northeastern Dinka
> diw     Northwestern Dinka
> dks     Southeastern Dinka
>
> If I was applying a langauge tag to a Rek grammar, then i'd use "dik",
> for a collection of Ciec folktales I'd use "dib". For a collection of
> Bor proverbs I'd use "dks".
>
> To describe the literacy materials and class room materials being
> developed in Australia by the Dinka community, I'd use "din". Within
> the diaspora and in Australia specifically the literacy and language
> teachers, translators and interpreters are discussing a standardized
> approach to written Dinka.
>
> The original SPLA/M education policies highlighted Rek as a standard
> for written Dinka. What seems to be occurring is an amalgam based on
> Rek, but including aspects and vocab from other Dinka dialects. There
> will be a locally hosted conference next year to thrash out some of
> the issues.
>
> In this context "din": would be the most appropriate way of tagging
> the new educational material, while keeping the existing five
> iso-639-3 language tags to more accurately describe information and
> data written in one of the 20 odd specific dialects.
>
> from the perspective of the user community, an extlang approach would
> make more sense, i.e. Rek labeled as "din-dik" makes more sense than
> "dik". To the community Rek is a Dinka langauge, Dinak Rek, not a
> separate language called Rek.
>
> In this sense extlang reflects the communities understanding of their
> language.
>
> This is just an observation, i'm neither for or against extlang.
>
> Although from the perspective of web development and how CSS and web
> browsers handle psuedo langauge selectors and attribute selectors, I'd
> suggest that extlang approach simplifies things for those rare
> individuals amongst us that use these selectors.
>
> Andrew
> --
> Andrew Cunningham
> State Library of Victoria, Australia
>
> andrewc@vicnet.net.au
> lang.support@gmail.com
>
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Mark
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