Re: [Mtgvenue] Issue #21: unfiltered should be mandatory (was: Re: issue #3: Too many mandatory)

[Yoav Nir <[e-mail]>]

Hi, Eliot.

I don’t think I disagree with the conclusion, but I think some of the logic is flawed.

> On 18 Apr 2017, at 15:51, Eliot Lear <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Editor hat firmly off.
> Please see below.
> 
> On 4/6/17 5:37 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
>> The full text of this one is:
>> 
>> The Facility directly provides, or permits and facilitates, the delivery of a high performance, robust, unfiltered and unmodified IETF Network.
>> 
>> Personally I think this should be a mandatory criterion, i.e. we should not select a venue that cannot provide this. If this needs to reference the meeting network requirements document to provide the objective criteria by which it will be judged, that would be fine, I think.
>> 
> 
> I agree that this one should be Mandatory, and propose to make it so in the next version of the document.  My logic is as follows:
> It can generally be determined when a network is filtered, and so it's an easy criteria at least to provide an objective answer to.
We get to determine whether the network is filtered or not two days before the meeting starts. By then participants are in the city, in the air or packing. Measurement cannot affect venue selection. Only promises can.
> As a matter of course, people working at the IETF have to communicate with both their companies and their customers in confidence, and they could be anywhere.  In this sense, I don't think we can run a successful meeting without such unfettered access.
> We tend to eat our own dog food, and as such need necessary network access to conduct experiments.
Both of those points assume we need some kind of Internet access that others people on business travel don’t. European countries (not just the UK) are constantly toying with mandatory filtering to prevent copyright infringement, child pornography and hate speech. See the below links in no particular order. Countries in other parts of the world either filter more or plan to filter more.

Our use of the Internet is no different from that of any conference of doctors or insurance salespeople.

Yoav

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/01/26/porn-blocking-legislation-cement-internet-filtering-uk-law/ <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/01/26/porn-blocking-legislation-cement-internet-filtering-uk-law/>
https://policyreview.info/articles/analysis/internet-filtering-trends-liberal-democracies-french-and-german-regulatory-debates <https://policyreview.info/articles/analysis/internet-filtering-trends-liberal-democracies-french-and-german-regulatory-debates>
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/eu-internet-advocates-launch-campaign-stop-eus-dangerous-copyright-filtering <https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/eu-internet-advocates-launch-campaign-stop-eus-dangerous-copyright-filtering>