Re: [Mtgvenue] issue #3: Too many mandatory
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 06 April 2017 13:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] issue #3: Too many mandatory
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On 06/04/2017 17:04, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > > On 4/6/17 1:39 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >> On 05/04/17 23:43, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >>> This stance quite plainly empties the word "mandatory" of its meaning. >>> If you wish to remove the "mandatory" items and call them "Really >>> Sooper Genius Important" or something (to indicate that they're More >>> Important than the Important ones), I'm ok with that. But they're not >>> _mandatory_. >> +1, that class is not useful IMO, getting rid of it will help > > I think we are coming quite close to it, and if that is what the WG > wants, then your editor will happily comply (conversely if the WG wants > to keep all the mandatory criteria as are, the same holds. This is, > after all, a WG doc). > > Based on the breakdown I mentioned there are only three Mandatory fields > left. One is that the community must have been consulted, the second is > that there is enough space for the meeting, and the third is wheelchair > accessible (this last as agreed in the room). It might have got lost in the noise that I suggested that there is actually a fourth one: Enough *hotel* rooms in total (regardless of whether they are in the main hotel, backup hotels, or budget hotels). But it's like enough meeting rooms - there's nothing we can do if an extra 500 people register the day before the early bird cutoff. Brian > The first is something > that could be moved to Section 5. The last is something that probably > still needs some wordsmithing in order to be actionable by the IAOC. > That leaves "enough space". I have attempted to rewrite it so that it > is more clearly actionable. > > The issue then is whether "Mandatory" means we have to cancel the > meeting if, for some reason, the number of rooms comes up short. That > is- we signed the contract, and, well, oops. We have more WGs that need > to meet, because we didn't know how things would look N years ago. It > would be simply crazy to do so. But the IAOC shouldn't PLAN for such a > shortfall. > > Eliot > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mtgvenue mailing list > Mtgvenue@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mtgvenue >
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