[TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for TLS 1.3
Kris Kwiatkowski <kris@amongbytes.com> Tue, 01 April 2025 20:44 UTC
Return-Path: <kris@amongbytes.com>
X-Original-To: tls@mail2.ietf.org
Delivered-To: tls@mail2.ietf.org
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7121610528 for <tls@mail2.ietf.org>; Tue, 1 Apr 2025 13:44:31 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ietf.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.098
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: mail2.ietf.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=amongbytes.com
Received: from mail2.ietf.org ([166.84.6.31]) by localhost (mail2.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HazC_vsr9aYh for <tls@mail2.ietf.org>; Tue, 1 Apr 2025 13:44:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from 9.mo579.mail-out.ovh.net (9.mo579.mail-out.ovh.net [46.105.58.100]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 002B61610515 for <tls@ietf.org>; Tue, 1 Apr 2025 13:44:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mxplan8.mail.ovh.net (unknown [10.108.9.197]) by mo579.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ZS0NW05wdz1H9B; Tue, 1 Apr 2025 20:44:26 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from amongbytes.com (37.59.142.111) by mxplan8.mail.ovh.net (172.16.2.1) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2507.44; Tue, 1 Apr 2025 22:44:26 +0200
Authentication-Results: garm.ovh; auth=pass (GARM-111S005fc39a3f6-50d3-4e32-b49f-f28644fdc418, 2D2098975766CB358C7ABC1AD649BA58B5239C83) smtp.auth=kris@amongbytes.com
X-OVh-ClientIp: 88.97.253.244
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3818.100.11.1.3\))
From: Kris Kwiatkowski <kris@amongbytes.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAMtubr0OEEjJPcQNhm_RR7S+vU9pqRJ=gyDrvDTD34_aF0jRbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2025 21:44:15 +0100
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-ID: <E7A0AE6A-98C3-4BCE-9232-4E8C8540D829@amongbytes.com>
References: <582917A1-F936-4A15-AE9D-342076605BE7@sn3rd.com> <CAMtubr0OEEjJPcQNhm_RR7S+vU9pqRJ=gyDrvDTD34_aF0jRbQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Yaroslav Rosomakho <yrosomakho=40zscaler.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3818.100.11.1.3)
X-Ovh-Tracer-GUID: 0c20f271-2adb-4ed0-89cd-7aa5f7146459
X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 5776429473396539357
X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK
X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100
X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefvddrtddtgddukeefjeejucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuqfggjfdpvefjgfevmfevgfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecuhedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurheptggguffhjgffvefgkfhfvffosehtqhhmtdhhtdejnecuhfhrohhmpefmrhhishcumfifihgrthhkohifshhkihcuoehkrhhishesrghmohhnghgshihtvghsrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeelhffhudelteehvdeiieevleelgfffjeelgfeileeiveduteekfeduhfelueffgeenucffohhmrghinhepihgvthhfrdhorhhgnecukfhppeduvdejrddtrddtrddupdekkedrleejrddvheefrddvgeegpdefjedrheelrddugedvrdduuddunecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepuddvjedrtddrtddruddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehkrhhishesrghmohhnghgshihtvghsrdgtohhmpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopeefpdhrtghpthhtohephihrohhsohhmrghkhhhopeegtdiishgtrghlvghrrdgtohhmsegumhgrrhgtrdhivghtfhdrohhrghdprhgtphhtthhopehsvggrnhesshhnfehrugdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopehtlhhssehivghtfhdrohhrghdpoffvtefjohhsthepmhhoheejlegmpdhmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuth
DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; bh=0qM/kvuCISq2XHqYa5kxSBq6GwdAylVpsX2RUbKIhAQ=; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=amongbytes.com; h=From; s=ovhmo2671616-selector1; t=1743540267; v=1; b=UkqHpnB5XpugZukYS6FBf1E3cVALM05qGq230yNh3+tvwL1o9+0cvJ4u06eHQC+K6VSmIQiE PPnQDKnD/y14wKJlNlQQyB9JXqHBEshGYBG7Y4xh5Ub+ZUyGU3zsYG7nPY34eWU9HCL52Lgb9CH Uakt+EIzIVbFWVV3MdeCG2EHzkmH1gB3Zza/PLqcvcBZDoe4f/BqfCsPPf3Bvu4ya2+eGpalNoX pcr5PCZJXCooJ3Of3zkexM0rjZraRM6exDgNt8FjnRuk8amO1Jd+5VQetQY0xH1CtJSTkz2wrSZ Jl47/qrDUTAbQ6lIElPL1nQok5Eon/plpn567iuLKT25w==
Message-ID-Hash: 2R4O6YTDVV6KAN674RZL3B4H2Y2ORRBG
X-Message-ID-Hash: 2R4O6YTDVV6KAN674RZL3B4H2Y2ORRBG
X-MailFrom: kris@amongbytes.com
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tls.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
CC: TLS List <tls@ietf.org>
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6
Precedence: list
Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for TLS 1.3
List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." <tls.ietf.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/LaN6cVns7kXOcPrbokBfU4OSzXo>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tls>
List-Help: <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:tls-owner@ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:tls@ietf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:tls-join@ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:tls-leave@ietf.org>
I support adoption. Cheers, Kris > On 1 Apr 2025, at 16:53, Yaroslav Rosomakho <yrosomakho=40zscaler.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > I strongly support adoption of this document. > > Best Regards, > Yaroslav > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 2:00 PM Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote: > We are continuing with our pre-announced tranche of WG adoption calls; see [0] for more information. This time we are issuing a WG adoption call for the ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for TLS 1.3 I-D [1]. If you support adoption and are willing to review and contribute text, please send a message to the list. If you do not support adoption of this draft, please send a message to the list and indicate why. This call will close at 2359 UTC on 15 April 2025. > > In response to other WG adoption calls, Dan Bernstein pointed out some potential IPR (see [2]), but no IPR disclosure has been made in accordance with BCP 79. Additional information is provided here; see [3]. > > BCP 79 makes this important point: > > (b) The IETF, following normal processes, can decide to use > technology for which IPR disclosures have been made if it decides > that such a use is warranted. > > WG members can take this information into account during this adoption call to determine if we should adopt these drafts. > > Reminder: This call for adoption has nothing to do with picking the mandatory-to-implement cipher suites in TLS. > > Cheers, > Joe and Sean > > [0] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/KMOTm_lE5OIAKG8_chDlRKuav7c/ > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-connolly-tls-mlkem-key-agreement/ > [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/mt4_p95NZv8duZIJvJPdZV90-ZU/ > [3] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/GKFhHfBeCgf8hQQvhUcyOJ6M-kI/ > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org > > > This communication (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential, non-public, and/or privileged material. Use, distribution, or reproduction of this communication by unintended recipients is not authorized. If you received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender and then delete all copies of this communication from your system._______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantum Ke… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Rebecca Guthrie
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Sun Shuzhou
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Jan Schaumann
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Joseph Birr-Pixton
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Boring cryptography, and the opposite extre… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: Boring cryptography, and the opposite e… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: Boring cryptography, and the opposite e… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Flo D
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Quynh Dang
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Benjamin Kaduk
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Flo D
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Flo D
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Boring cryptography, and the … Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Ca… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Ca… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Benjamin Kaduk
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Sean Turner