Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

Steve Underwood <steveu@coppice.org> Sun, 10 January 2010 09:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)
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On 01/10/2010 03:57 PM, Koen Vos wrote:
> Quoting Herve Taddei:
>
>> [] some existing standard codecs (at least G.711, G.722) are already 
>> optimized for interactive Internet applications, []
>
> How can these codecs be optimized if their bitrates are many times 
> higher than state-of-the-art codecs?  You don't think bitrates matter 
> for interactive Internet applications?  I can assure you they do (for 
> congested/shared networks, WiFi/3G, conferences, video calling, 
> dial-up, etc).
Its not just about bit rates. G.711 and G.722 are only really optimised 
for internet applications when you include the Appendices. Those 
Appendices appear to be patent encumbered, so they fail a key criterion 
for this group's work.