[codec] Fwd: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)
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Begin forwarded message: > From: IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> > Date: December 23, 2009 10:15:01 AM MST > To: ietf-announce@ietf.org > Cc: codec@ietf.org > Subject: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec) > Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org > > A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Real-time Applications > and Infrastructure Area. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. > The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for > informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG > mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by January 20, 2010. > > Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Last Modified: 2009-12-17 > > Proposed Chair(s): > * TBD > > Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Director(s): > * Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> > * Cullen Jennings <fluffy@cisco.com> > > Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Advisor: > * Cullen Jennings <fluffy@cisco.com> > > Mailing Lists: > General Discussion: codec@ietf.org > To Subscribe: codec-request@ietf.org > In Body: subscribe > Archive: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec > > Description of Working Group > Problem Statement > > According to reports from developers of Internet audio applications and > operators of Internet audio services, there are no standardized, > high-quality audio codecs that meet all of the following three > conditions: > > 1. Are optimized for use in interactive Internet applications. > > 2. Are published by a recognized standards development organization > (SDO) and therefore subject to clear change control. > > 3. Can be widely implemented and easily distributed among application > developers, service operators, and end users. > > There exist codecs that provide high quality encoding of audio > information, but that are not optimized for the actual conditions of the > Internet; according to reports, this mismatch between design and > deployment has hindered adoption of such codecs in interactive Internet > applications. > > There exist codecs that can be widely implemented and easily > distributed, but that are not standardized through any SDO; according to > reports, this lack of standardization and clear change control has > hindered adoption of such codecs in interactive Internet applications. > > There exist codecs that are standardized, but that cannot be widely > implemented and easily distributed; according to reports, the presence > of various usage restrictions (e.g., in the form of requirements to pay > royalty fees, obtain a license, enter into a business agreement, or meet > other special conditions imposed by a patent holder) has hindered > adoptions of such codecs in interactive Internet applications. > > According to application developers and service operators, an audio > codec that meets all three of these would: (1) enable protocol > designers to more easily specify a mandatory-to-implement codec in > their protocols and thus improve interoperability; (2) enable > developers to more easily easily build innovative, interactive > applications for the Internet; (3) enable service operators to more > easily deploy affordable, high-quality audio services on the Internet; > and (4) enable end users of Internet applications and services to enjoy > an improved user experience. > > Objectives > > The goal of this working group is to develop a single high-quality audio > codec that is optimized for use over the Internet and that can be widely > implemented and easily distributed among application developers, service > operators, and end users. Core technical considerations include, but > are not necessarily limited to, the following: > > 1. Designing for use in interactive applications (examples include, but > are not limited to, point-to-point voice calls, multi-party voice > conferencing, telepresence, teleoperation, in-game voice chat, and live > music performance) > > 2. Addressing the real transport conditions of the Internet as > identified and prioritized by the working group > > 3. Ensuring interoperability with the Real-time Transport Protocol > (RTP), including secure transport via SRTP > > 4. Ensuring interoperability with Internet signaling technologies such > as Session Initiation Protocol (SIP), Session Description Protocol > (SDP), and Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP); however, > the result should not depend on the details of any particular signaling > technology > > Optimizing for very low bit rates (typically below 2.4 kbps) and for > non-interactive audio is out of scope because such work might > necessitate specialized optimizations. > > Although the codec produced by the working group might be used as a > mandatory-to-implement technology by designers of particular Internet > protocols, it is explicitly not a goal of the working group to produce a > codec that will be mandated for use across the entire IETF or Internet > community nor would their be any expectation that this would be the only > mandatory-to-implement codec. > > The goal of the working group is to produce only one codec. Based on > the working group's analysis of the design space, the working group > might determine that it needs to produce more than one codec, or a codec > with multiple modes; however, it is not the goal of working group to > produce more than one codec, and to reduce confusion in the marketplace > the working group shall endeavor to produce as few codecs as possible. > > In completing its work, the working group should collaborate with other > IETF working groups to complete particular tasks. These might include, > but would not be limited to, the following: > > - Within the AVT WG, define the codec's payload format for use with the > Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP). > > - Collaborate with working groups in the Transport Area to identify > important aspects of packet transmission over the Internet. > > - Collaborate with working groups in the Transport Area to understand > the degree of rate adaptation desirable, and to reflect that > understanding in the design of a codec that can adjust its > transmission in a way that minimizes disruption to the audio. > > - Collaborate with working groups in the RAI Area to ensure that > information about and negotiation of the codec can be easily > represented at the signaling layer. > > The working group will inform the ITU-T (Study group 16) of each new > revision of working group drafts, with the intent of submitting the > completed codec RFC for co-publication by the ITU-T if the ITU-T finds > that appropriate. The working group will communicate detailed > description of the requirements and goals to other SDOs including the > ITU-T, 3GPP, and MPEG to help determine if existing codecs meet the > requirements and would therefore enable co-publication of an existing > standard at the IETF. The working group will also continue to discuss > with other standards bodies to determine if it becomes possible to > satisfy the IETF requirements through a new or revised standard at other > bodies. > > Suggested Codec Standardization Guidelines and Requirements for > achieving the foregoing objectives are provisionally outlined in > draft-valin-codec-guidelines and draft-valin-codec-requirements > respectively; these documents will form the starting point for working > toward consensus and, if accepted as work items of the working group, > will be refined by the working group in accordance with the usual IETF > procedures. > > A codec that can be widely implemented and easily distributed among > application developers, service operators, and end users is preferred. > Many existing codecs that might fulfill some or most of the technical > attributes listed above are encumbered in various ways. For example, > patent holders might require that those wishing to implement the codec > in software, deploy the codec in a service, or distribute the codec in > software or hardware need to request a license, enter into a business > agreement, pay licensing fees or royalties, or attempt to adhere to > other special conditions or restrictions. > > Because such encumbrances have made it difficult to widely implement and > easily distribute high-quality audio codecs across the entire Internet > community, the working group prefers unencumbered technologies in a way > that is consistent with BCP 78 and BCP 79. In particular, the working > group shall heed the preference stated in BCP 79: "In general, IETF > working groups prefer technologies with no known IPR claims or, for > technologies with claims against them, an offer of royalty-free > licensing." Although this preference cannot guarantee that the working > group will produce an unencumbered codec, the working group shall > attempt to adhere to the spirit of BCP 79. This preference does not > explicitly rule out the possibility of adapting encumbered technologies; > such decisions will be made in accordance with the rough consensus of > the working group. > > Deliverables > > 1. A set of Codec Standardization Guidelines that define the work > processes of the working group. This document shall be Informational. > > 2. A set of technical Requirements. This document shall be > Informational. > > 3. Specification of a codec that meets the agreed-upon requirements, in > the form of an Internet-Draft that defines the codec algorithm along > with source code for a reference implementation. The text description > of the codec shall indicate which components of the encoder and decoder > are mandatory, recommended, and optional. It is envisioned that this > document shall be a Proposed Standard document. > > Milestones > > Mar-2010: WGLC on Codec Standardization Guidelines > May-2010: Codec Standardization Guidelines to IESG (Informational) > May-2010: WGLC on Requirements > Jul-2010: Requirements to IESG (Informational) > Dec-2010: Freeze codec structure > Jun-2011: Finalize codec parameters > Jul-2011: WGLC on codec specification > Oct-2011: Submit codec specification to IESG (Standards Track) > _______________________________________________ > codec mailing list > codec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec
- [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec … IESG Secretary
- [codec] Fwd: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio C… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Roni Even
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Robert Elz
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Roni Even
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Steve Underwood
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Koen Vos
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Steve Underwood
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Koen Vos
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Mans Nilsson
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Brian West
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Sam Hartman
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Brian West
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Richard Shockey
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Steve Underwood
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Richard Shockey
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Steve Underwood
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Brian West
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Richard Shockey
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Roni Even
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Brian West
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Benjamin M. Schwartz
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Brian West
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Dean Willis
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Sam Hartman
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Brian West
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Koen Vos
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Benjamin M. Schwartz
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Russ Housley
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Herve Taddei
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Sam Hartman
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… John C Klensin
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Herve Taddei
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Christian Hoene
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Herve Taddei
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Michael Ramalho (mramalho)
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Russ Housley
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Michael Knappe
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Koen Vos
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Steve Underwood
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Herve Taddei
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Steve Underwood
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Christian Hoene
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Steve Underwood
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Herve Taddei
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Herve Taddei
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephane.proust
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Roni Even
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Koen Vos
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Xavier Marjou
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Monty Montgomery
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Christian Hoene
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Stefan Sayer
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Monty Montgomery
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Monty Montgomery
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Alexander Chemeris
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Christian Hoene
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Roni Even
- Re: [codec] Conferencing and layering Benjamin M. Schwartz
- Re: [codec] Conferencing and layering Brian Rosen
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Russ Housley
- Re: [codec] [IAB] WG Review: Internet Wideband Au… Gregory M. Lebovitz
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Daniel Petrie
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Roni Even
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Daniel Petrie
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Alexander Chemeris
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephane.proust
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Ron
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… John Kostogiannis
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Sjoerd Simons
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Thorvald Natvig
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Roni Even
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephane.proust
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Ron
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Herve Taddei
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… jari.hagqvist
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Mans Nilsson
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Monty Montgomery
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Mans Nilsson
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephane.proust
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Richard L. Barnes
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Ron
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephen botzko
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Co… stephen botzko