Re: [dmarc-ietf] Call for Adoption: DMARC Use of the RFC5322.Sender Header Field

Dotzero <dotzero@gmail.com> Mon, 17 August 2020 12:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Call for Adoption: DMARC Use of the RFC5322.Sender Header Field
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 2:17 PM John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

>
> No, it was just some political theatre.  We were already working on SPF
> and DKIM.
>

DKIM didn't exist  until that approximate time frame. There was Domain
Keys (DK) and there was Internet Identified Mail (IIM)

>
> > DMARC took that strategy to the extremes.  A number of users and
> operators
> > seem to have accepted it.  Why cannot we accept it too?
>
> Please review the previous bazillion messages on this topic.
>

Are those bazillion messages authenticated? ;-)

Michael Hammer