Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Niels ten Oever <> Tue, 23 February 2021 20:55 UTC

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Thanks for this. I will have a better look later, but a couple things stood out from an initial cursory read:

- A reference to the observations and conclusions from RFC7704 might be useful

Under 3. Terminology:
- I would suggest changing 'ethnic' to 'cultural'
- Consider replacing:

   o  a range of different social and ethnic backgrounds


   o  different socioeconomic and sociocultural backgrounds

- Consider adding:
   o different physical and neurophysical abilities

- Consider replacing:
"diversity" has multiple axes


"diversity" has many different aspects

Under 4. Perceived Return of Investment (ROI)
- I am a bit confused by this argument, not sure I fully follow it. Apart from maybe having some comprehension or consistency issues, it has the risk of economic reductionism. I think the rewards from different members of the community are different and not necessarily tied to financial gains. 

- Consider changing:

developing countries


low- and middle-income countries

5.  Effects of Current Participation 
- This section would definitely benefit from a link to RFC7704 as well as RFC8719

8.  Difficulty in Joining the IETF
Would benefit from a mention of the Tao and the EDU-TEAM

9.  Economic Constraints
- Could benefit from mentioning time constraints.

11.3 Comfort zone
- This individualizes a problem that might not be individual but a function of the organization or group of people acting in it. 

Another point might be the appreciation (or lack thereof) of different kinds of knowledge and expertise. 



On 23-02-2021 01:07, Fernando Gont wrote:
> Folks,
> We have submitted a new I-D, entitled "Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF".
> The I-D is available at:
> We expect that our document be discussed in the gendispatch wg ( But given the breadth of the topic and possible views, we'll be glad to discuss it
> where necessary/applicable/desired.
> As explicitly noted in our I-D, we're probably only scratching the surface here -- but we believe that our document is probably a good start to discuss many aspects of diversity that deserve discussion.
> Thanks!
> Regards,

Niels ten Oever, PhD
Postdoctoral Researcher - Media Studies Department - University of Amsterdam
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