Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Niels ten Oever <lists@digitaldissidents.org> Tue, 23 February 2021 20:55 UTC

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Hiya,

Thanks for this. I will have a better look later, but a couple things stood out from an initial cursory read:

- A reference to the observations and conclusions from RFC7704 might be useful

Under 3. Terminology:
- I would suggest changing 'ethnic' to 'cultural'
- Consider replacing:

   o  a range of different social and ethnic backgrounds

with:

   o  different socioeconomic and sociocultural backgrounds

- Consider adding:
   o different physical and neurophysical abilities

- Consider replacing:
"diversity" has multiple axes

with:

"diversity" has many different aspects

Under 4. Perceived Return of Investment (ROI)
- I am a bit confused by this argument, not sure I fully follow it. Apart from maybe having some comprehension or consistency issues, it has the risk of economic reductionism. I think the rewards from different members of the community are different and not necessarily tied to financial gains. 

- Consider changing:

developing countries

with:

low- and middle-income countries

5.  Effects of Current Participation 
- This section would definitely benefit from a link to RFC7704 as well as RFC8719

8.  Difficulty in Joining the IETF
Would benefit from a mention of the Tao and the EDU-TEAM
- 

9.  Economic Constraints
- Could benefit from mentioning time constraints.

11.3 Comfort zone
- This individualizes a problem that might not be individual but a function of the organization or group of people acting in it. 

Another point might be the appreciation (or lack thereof) of different kinds of knowledge and expertise. 

Best,

Niels

On 23-02-2021 01:07, Fernando Gont wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> We have submitted a new I-D, entitled "Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF".
> 
> The I-D is available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gont-diversity-analysis-00.txt
> 
> We expect that our document be discussed in the gendispatch wg (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/gendispatch/about/). But given the breadth of the topic and possible views, we'll be glad to discuss it
> where necessary/applicable/desired.
> 
> As explicitly noted in our I-D, we're probably only scratching the surface here -- but we believe that our document is probably a good start to discuss many aspects of diversity that deserve discussion.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Regards,

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