Let's talk (was: DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists)

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Tue, 15 April 2014 23:36 UTC

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 15:36:20 -0700
To: "MH Michael Hammer (5304)" <MHammer@ag.com>, ietf@ietf.org
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: Let's talk (was: DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists)
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Hi Mike,
At 13:30 15-04-2014, MH Michael Hammer (5304) wrote:
>My experience with regard to working groups is that it is 
>(technically) easy to participate and does not necessarily involve 
>any particular costs. I don't go to IETF meetings but have 
>participated in WG sessions during IETF meetings through jabber. Not 
>the optimal solution but it works. I think that the notion of 8000lb 
>gorillas somewhat misrepresents the situation. Some of the active 
>participants in the working groups I've been involved with continue 
>their involvement even when they change employers. With that in 
>mind, I believe that in many cases it truly is the individual and 
>not the individual as mouthpiece for the organization. I also 
>believe that the 8000lb gorillas have many of the same interests as 
>smaller organizations and individuals even though there are times 
>where interests may diverge. It's also clear to me that there is not 
>uniformity of interests across constituencies within large 
>organizations. It's complex. So let's talk.

It is, as you mentioned, complex.  I'll be one-sided in this 
comment.  There is a cost to participation on the mailing lists and 
to attend meetings.  There is a higher burden for a small company or 
an individual.  People from small companies sometimes get ignored or 
it is like the minority view (see Dave Cridland's message at 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87389.html ).

I can understand that an individual is not the mouthpiece of the 
organization if that individual sometimes speaks up to say that 
management is saying X but he or she does not think that it is a 
great idea.  You have tried to be positive by discussing about this 
publicly, politely and without resorting to marketing 
language.  Let's see who else would like to talk.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy