Let's talk (was: DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists)

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Tue, 15 April 2014 23:36 UTC

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 15:36:20 -0700
To: "MH Michael Hammer (5304)" <MHammer@ag.com>, ietf@ietf.org
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: Let's talk (was: DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists)
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Hi Mike,
At 13:30 15-04-2014, MH Michael Hammer (5304) wrote:
>My experience with regard to working groups is that it is 
>(technically) easy to participate and does not necessarily involve 
>any particular costs. I don't go to IETF meetings but have 
>participated in WG sessions during IETF meetings through jabber. Not 
>the optimal solution but it works. I think that the notion of 8000lb 
>gorillas somewhat misrepresents the situation. Some of the active 
>participants in the working groups I've been involved with continue 
>their involvement even when they change employers. With that in 
>mind, I believe that in many cases it truly is the individual and 
>not the individual as mouthpiece for the organization. I also 
>believe that the 8000lb gorillas have many of the same interests as 
>smaller organizations and individuals even though there are times 
>where interests may diverge. It's also clear to me that there is not 
>uniformity of interests across constituencies within large 
>organizations. It's complex. So let's talk.

It is, as you mentioned, complex.  I'll be one-sided in this 
comment.  There is a cost to participation on the mailing lists and 
to attend meetings.  There is a higher burden for a small company or 
an individual.  People from small companies sometimes get ignored or 
it is like the minority view (see Dave Cridland's message at 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87389.html ).

I can understand that an individual is not the mouthpiece of the 
organization if that individual sometimes speaks up to say that 
management is saying X but he or she does not think that it is a 
great idea.  You have tried to be positive by discussing about this 
publicly, politely and without resorting to marketing 
language.  Let's see who else would like to talk.

S. Moonesamy