Re: Mailman 2.1.16 [DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Tue, 15 April 2014 16:46 UTC

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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Mailman 2.1.16 [DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists
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Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
    > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 09:11:01AM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@yahoo.com.INVALID>
    >>
    >> So, that totals people's address books.

    > But only for yahoo.com users.  Somehow, I have a very hard time
    > feeling sympathetic about their plight.

yes, I take your point.  Let's be clear, it totals my address book for people
who are on yahoo.  I agree that maybe that's tough.

    > If Yahoo isn't going to care about screwing over mailing list
    > administrators, I'm not sure why I should care about about
    > inconveniencing Yahoo uesrs.  If they end up moving to some other mail
    > provider, I'll consider that a bonus.

+1

    > And if Yahoo is right, and most Yahoo users don't use mailing lists,
    > then obviously this won't be a problem, right?

funny, cause most people I know who have yahoo addresses do so because it
given to them so that they could manage their mailing lists.

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