Re: (DMARC) We've been here before, was Why mailing lists

Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> Thu, 17 April 2014 16:28 UTC

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ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com wrote:
>> On 4/17/14 7:29 AM, John R Levine wrote:
>> > Now I'm totally confused.  How does that help me as a sender
>> > distinguish between a good mailing list that is resending real mail
>> > from Yahoo and an evil mailing list that is sending phishes?
>
>> We're now *way* into technical discussion. Let's take those to
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc shall we?
>
> How about we take it some place else? I really don't want this 
> intermingled
> with discussions of things like how to revise the current DMARC 
> specifications
> that hopefully are taking place on that list.

Any proposal as to where?

For that matter, any proposal on where to take the parallel discussion 
of process issues and IETF role?

Miles Fidelman


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