Re: Mailman 2.1.16 [DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 15 April 2014 20:21 UTC

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:21:18 +1200
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Mailman 2.1.16 [DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists
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On 16/04/2014 03:30, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 09:11:01AM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
>>> From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@yahoo.com.INVALID>
>> So, that totals people's address books.
> 
> But only for yahoo.com users.  Somehow, I have a very hard time
> feeling sympathetic about their plight.

Also, it isn't really 'total'. At least with my MUA, it's trivial to
edit a To or CC address, or an address book entry; it's an annoyance of course.

Note to spammers: brian.e.carpenter@yahoo.com, if it exists, isn't me.

    Brian

> If Yahoo isn't going to care about screwing over mailing list
> administrators, I'm not sure why I should care about about
> inconveniencing Yahoo uesrs.  If they end up moving to some other mail
> provider, I'll consider that a bonus.
> 
> And if Yahoo is right, and most Yahoo users don't use mailing lists,
> then obviously this won't be a problem, right?
> 
> 						- Ted
> 
>