Re: DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists

Douglas Otis <doug.mtview@gmail.com> Tue, 15 April 2014 00:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists
From: Douglas Otis <doug.mtview@gmail.com>
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To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
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On Apr 14, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I don't have any idea how to retroactively fix all of that, and I suspect it would be another rat-hole to try.  What I'd really like to talk about is where we go from here.

Dear Murray,

Perhaps the IESG now has more of an open mind regarding risks associated with an "authoritative"  domain responding to a query about a third-party domain impacting the delivery of their users email.  

I'll be happy to re-write the ATPS or ATP draft to offer a simpler, deployable, and functional version able to support aggregated listings.  Brian has already asked that this not be done as an individual submission.  It seems fruitless trying to motivate bulk senders or large ISPs into addressing this problem.  This is something the "email community" needs to solve.  At most, it should involve a simple reference to a ATP listing domain.

1) make use of existing authentication schemes, not just DKIM.
2) always generate consistent labels to ensure fewer community conflicts.

Regards,
Douglas Otis