Re: (DMARC) How a whitelist would work, was Why mailing lists

Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 18 April 2014 04:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: (DMARC) How a whitelist would work, was Why mailing lists
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On Apr 18, 2014, at 3:10 AM, John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

>> Are you saying that gmail and yahoo have to know about my lists.sandelman.ca
>> before I can have gmail/yahoo members on my little local list?
> 
> Yeah.  It's clear from the DMARC summary reports I'm getting that the big mail systems already have a pretty good idea of where the mailing lists are, 

They know about big lists. Maybe even IETF lists. But do they know about sandelman.ca? Do they know about @irtf.org?

I really don’t like specs that work well only for large companies.

Yoav