Re: DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <> Mon, 14 April 2014 21:27 UTC

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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:27:09 -0700
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Subject: Re: DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists
From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <>
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On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Dave Cridland <> wrote:

> The DMARC folk came to the IETF to have a rubber stamp put on their work,
> and pretty explicitly stated that no substantive changes were acceptable,
> and that change control would de-facto remains with the DMARC consortium.
> So nobody who wasn't already "in the club" was really invited.

I understand that's how the move was interpreted.  We spent a lot of time
arguing about how to word the charter so that changes were restricted only
to what was necessary versus wholesale changes that caused serious and
unjustified disruption to the installed base, etc. etc.  A lot of work has
been derailed by cracking base specs wide open in the past (think 2821 and
2822, for example).  It was the same argument under which DKIM and XMPP
were brought to the IETF, but in the case of DMARC case the two sides
couldn't agree on exactly how to do it.

One of the very specific items that was on the proposed charter was dealing
with the question of how to integrate DMARC with mailing lists.  This was
called out very early on as an open issue, as were some other important