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Re: DMARC from the perspective of the listadmin of a bunch of SMALL community lists

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Mon, 14 April 2014 21:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: DMARC from the perspective of the listadmin of a bunch of SMALL community lists
From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Rolf E. Sonneveld <
R.E.Sonneveld@sonnection.nl> wrote:

>
> This might have been true if:
>
> 1. Yahoo _did_ solve the abuse problem and
>

We'll have to wait for them to tell us whether it did.  Anything we
conclude is our perspective, not theirs.


> 2. the decision making process within a closed industry consortium with
> maybe less than 20 members, representing immense commercial power, could be
> compared to the process of consensus, that's being used within IETF.
>

The consortium hasn't been closed for a long time.  A public mailing list
outside the IETF was announced and created, and then a second one
maintained at the IETF, both of which have been places from which
suggestions from the general community have been discussed, accepted, and
incorporated into revisions.  There was furthermore a BoF to create a
working group held a couple of IETF meetings ago.  It's not correct to
claim this has been closed the entire time any more than DKIM was.

-MSK

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