Re: DMARC from the perspective of the listadmin of a bunch of SMALL community lists

Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> Mon, 14 April 2014 18:01 UTC

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Dick Franks wrote:
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> On 14 April 2014 16:36, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net 
> <mailto:mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>> wrote:
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>     Dick Franks wrote:
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>         On 13 April 2014 00:35, <ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com
>         <mailto:ned%2Bietf@mauve.mrochek.com>
>         <mailto:ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com
>         <mailto:ned%2Bietf@mauve.mrochek.com>>> wrote:
>         [snip]
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>            It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference
>            material or to cite them other than as "work in progress."
>
>         An implementation based on I-D reference material is therefore
>         no better than "work in progress".
>
>         The blame for this debacle lies squarely with Yahoo, and its
>         inadequate engineering change management.
>
>
>     That's all in the fine print.
>
>
> Indeed, but with blame so firmly attached, list operators need not be 
> too concerned about inconveniencing Yahoo customers by rejecting 
> posts. Those most affected will doubtless vote with their metaphorical 
> feet.
>
>
>
>     - allowing someone to represent something as an IETF standard
>     carries a risk to IETF's standing, effectiveness, and credibility
>     as the Internet's standards body (ISO tends to get very upset if
>     someone claims to be ISO9000 certified, but isn't; Xerox sends
>     lawyers after competitors who refer to their copiers as "xerox
>     machines")
>
>
> Are you suggesting that IETF brings an action for trademark infringement?
>
> Against whom?
>
>
> A more pragmatic, less expensive, and publicly visible expression of 
> IETF displeasure might be to expunge all versions of the offending I-D 
> from IETF document store and refuse to publish any subsequent version 
> until the unwarranted claims made for it are retracted.
>
> To be effective, that needs to be done now, while the iron is still 
> hot; not after the usual 3-month email debate about the diplomatic 
> niceties.
>
The later, accompanied with a strong statement about the limits of 
DMARC, and the flaws in its deployment - might not be a bad start.

Miles

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