Re: DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Mon, 14 April 2014 17:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: DMARC: perspectives from a listadmin of large open-source lists
From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:52 AM, <ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com> wrote:

> Actually, mailing lists *can* implement DMARC, just not that way: Do a
> DMARC
> check on all incoming messages, and if the domain policy is one that is
> incompatible with the list's own policies - whatever they are - either
> change
> the list's policies to conform to that message or reject it outright,
> preferably with a nasty "find another a better mail provider" sort of
> message.
>
> If the IETF wants to take a leadership position in regards to this issue,
> perhaps someone could set this up.
>

The DKIM WG discussed this idea in RFC 6377.

-MSK