Re: (DMARC) We've been here before, was Why mailing lists

Pete Resnick <presnick@qti.qualcomm.com> Thu, 17 April 2014 14:49 UTC

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:49:46 -0500
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Subject: Re: (DMARC) We've been here before, was Why mailing lists
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On 4/17/14 7:29 AM, John R Levine wrote:
> Now I'm totally confused.  How does that help me as a sender 
> distinguish between a good mailing list that is resending real mail 
> from Yahoo and an evil mailing list that is sending phishes?

We're now *way* into technical discussion. Let's take those to 
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc shall we?

pr

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