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Re: (DMARC) Why mailing lists are only sort of special

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Wed, 16 April 2014 20:57 UTC

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:57:22 -0400
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From: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: (DMARC) Why mailing lists are only sort of special
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> This means that mailing lists (and other forwarding cases) are enforced
> into having DMARC records in order to forward DMARC originating messages,
> which seems reasonable, and the Sender addresses must also be relatively
> sensible, which they normally are already.

> I may be missing something.

How do I distinguish the nice mailing lists at ietf.org from random evil 
spammer domains sending spam with List-ID headers?

Every proposal I've seen like this ends up tripping over the fact that 
there is no technical way to distinguish between mail from real mailing 
lists and spam that looks like it's from mailing lists.  Hence you need a 
whitelist for the real mail, at which point all of the mechanism beyond 
the key for the whitelist (probably a DKIM signature) is superfluous.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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