Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered harmful
Jon Watte <jwatte@gmail.com> Tue, 31 March 2009 15:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered harmful
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Morgaine wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Jon Watte <jwatte@gmail.com > <mailto:jwatte@gmail.com>> wrote: > teleport grant or denial might validly be considered part of the > "mechanism" of teleport. > > Fair enough. > > Do we really want to use the term "landmark" in interop speak? > That sounds a little too SL specific? Else, would you define what > a "landmark" really means? > > > > The term "landmark" is in extremely wide use in many applications that > involve maps or addresses, as well as in real life I know of no serious GIS application that uses the term. But the use in the real world is very different. In the real world, the Coit Tower cannot move. In the virtual world, that's just a few mouse clicks. If I had a delicious hot dog right next to the Coit Tower, and the Coit Tower then moved, in real-world speak, the Coit Tower landmark is no longer near anything it was near when I set that as a Landmark. In general, I like the term "address" more, because it's more akin to, say, GPS coordinates. Also, when using Google Maps (arguably the most used GIS system ever), they are called Favorites. But this brings up another use case point: Is the "landmark" referencing an object (that can move), or an address (that can't)? And does it even matter? Maybe these location favorites can simply be URLs with a known type, and the actual words of the URL are specific to the system that minted them. Then the only information that is important to the destination system is: 1) Knowing that this is a location URL, and not some other kind of URL 2) Some user-visible description (icon, title, movie, sound, whatever) for presentation 3) The process by which one of these URLs get turned into an established session Sincerely, jw
- [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered harmful Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Lisa Dusseault
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Lawson English
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Hurliman, John
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Mystical Demina
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… James Kempf
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… zedmaster
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Kajikawa Jeremy
- [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Larry Masinter
- Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Larry Masinter
- Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… James Stallings II
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Kari Lippert
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Lisa Dusseault
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Dan Olivares
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Larry Masinter
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Mystical Demina
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Christian Scholz